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This has led to some incompatibility problems even within the Shell catalogue. Ignore the ZF number at the end as that is the ZF approval number. Yes, that was what I suspected, and why I responded to Bobc’s ‘So any ATF basically then’ comment – though I agree you’d have to go out of your way and pocket!
Thank you for the post on oil seals which was my main worry.
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So any ATF basically then. I can see the logic of keeping to the same oil type so will be changing my bottle of Halfords fully synthetic to straight ATF. This was a widespread problem in extensive systems that for instance supermarkets use, and 6 – 18 months after oil change the problems of leakage became obvious.
Oil incompatibility with elastomer O rings is not a problem that shows itself immediately, and this is a problem well known and documented within the refrigeration industry.
To some extent its an age thing, not the oil, me! Therefore returning to the subject of what ATF to use, then it may pay to avoid a synthetic in a box always previously filled with mineral base ATF, if an alternative mineral base remains available. However, over a period of time as the synthetic oil meets the O ring it tends to leech out the traces of mineral oil the O ring had absorbed, but the synthetic does replace this oil, with the result that the O ring disintegrates into a snotty mess, and leaks then develop.
The full ZF oil list https: The list was dated Feb The current Tellus range differs enormously from what it was 20 years ago, for example.
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I have recently being trying to sort out mbxx oil to use in my Hurth HBW gearbox and have received this information from ZF in Germany which is mbs transcript from a larger document. The following oils are suitable for these gearboxes List from ZF was dated Feb However equivalent of Dlll is readily available from any car shop under lots of names.
I cannot quote you gospel but believe this is why VP changed to specifying engine oil instead of ATF for gearboxes and saildrives, in case anyone used DVl instead of Dll or Dlll.
When the oil is changed only the free oil drains out, leaving that absorbed into the O ring where it is. I understand that DVl is not recommended for mechanical clutch gearboxes – too slippery. Technically Dexron ll and lll no longer exist – GM who own the names and technical authority have discontinued support.
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I gather from Wiki that there is no Dexron D-IV grade it was never approved by GMthough there is a D-VI which is of slightly lower viscosity than D-III when new, but with lower permitted viscosity loss from shearing in use — so the allowed final viscosity is the same.
I think that also used to have ATF specified. I cannot speak for any other oil manufacturers but the composition of Shell grades has changed markedly over the years.
A typical nitrile O ring will absorb mineral oil, but not certain synthetics. It would be interesting to know how regularly that list is updated. You aren’t likely to buy DVl by mistake, I don’t think it’s widely seen on accessory shop shelves and is very expensive.
If anyone would like a copy of the full document which covers many of the other gearboxes, send me a PM with their email address and I will reply with a copy of the full pdf document. When you read through the many postings there have been on this and many other sailing and marine forums, there are warnings of issues with the clutch plates slipping when using ATF Synthetic oil and that is what I have. ATF is what is called for! Well an O ring that has been in contact for many years with mineral oil will likely have absorbed some.